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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.gaminglives.com/2010/01/24/to-beta-or-not-to-beta/#comment-229</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only &#039;beta&#039; I can think of that I participated in was World at war on 360. I may have mentioned my feelings on that one already (if not then &#039;rubbish&#039; would politely sum it up)

I remember the days of demos on the speccy - I must have spent hours playing the Back to the Future III and switchblade demos that came with Your Sinclair (ah the memories). These days I don&#039;t d/l a huge number of demos - Arkham asylum was one that convinced me to buy the game, whereas the Ghostbusters demo put me off what was until that point a sure fire purchase.  The problem is that a demo seldom gives a real idea of the finished product - fo example, the demo of Burnout Paradise was awful, but the game is pretty good. Similarly, I am told that the online demo of Bad Company was pants on toast, yet I couldn&#039;t even begin to count the hours of life that me and my online gaming buddies have lost to that game.

Fab Article tho dood - very thought provoking :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only &#8216;beta&#8217; I can think of that I participated in was World at war on 360. I may have mentioned my feelings on that one already (if not then &#8216;rubbish&#8217; would politely sum it up)</p>
<p>I remember the days of demos on the speccy &#8211; I must have spent hours playing the Back to the Future III and switchblade demos that came with Your Sinclair (ah the memories). These days I don&#8217;t d/l a huge number of demos &#8211; Arkham asylum was one that convinced me to buy the game, whereas the Ghostbusters demo put me off what was until that point a sure fire purchase.  The problem is that a demo seldom gives a real idea of the finished product &#8211; fo example, the demo of Burnout Paradise was awful, but the game is pretty good. Similarly, I am told that the online demo of Bad Company was pants on toast, yet I couldn&#8217;t even begin to count the hours of life that me and my online gaming buddies have lost to that game.</p>
<p>Fab Article tho dood &#8211; very thought provoking <img src='http://www.gaminglives.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: GamingLives.com -To Beta or not To Beta &#171; PartGeek</title>
		<link>http://www.gaminglives.com/2010/01/24/to-beta-or-not-to-beta/#comment-223</link>
		<dc:creator>GamingLives.com -To Beta or not To Beta &#171; PartGeek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Lorna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved that demo too...I played those levels over and over.  I remember loving the Arctic level where it would place a handful of enemy worms with yours on a flat girder not far from the edge fo the screen.  one cunning Kamikazee would take out most of their team, sending others sliding into mines.  Don&#039;t get such good Worms levels any more :(

Settlers was one of my all time favourite games for the Amiga.  I absolutely adored the opening sequence and the music still makes me mist up with nostalgia :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved that demo too&#8230;I played those levels over and over.  I remember loving the Arctic level where it would place a handful of enemy worms with yours on a flat girder not far from the edge fo the screen.  one cunning Kamikazee would take out most of their team, sending others sliding into mines.  Don&#8217;t get such good Worms levels any more <img src='http://www.gaminglives.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Settlers was one of my all time favourite games for the Amiga.  I absolutely adored the opening sequence and the music still makes me mist up with nostalgia <img src='http://www.gaminglives.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.gaminglives.com/2010/01/24/to-beta-or-not-to-beta/#comment-218</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Worms demo was one of my all time faveorites on the Amiga. That and the origional Settlers which actually convinced the family to invest in the full game (Disc 1 -of 4- was the games opening animated cut scene....and nothing else).

I think the worst beta I was ever involved in was The Matrix Online. It was also one of the best Beta&#039;s I was ever involved in too. I may just save that story for a rainy day though ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Worms demo was one of my all time faveorites on the Amiga. That and the origional Settlers which actually convinced the family to invest in the full game (Disc 1 -of 4- was the games opening animated cut scene&#8230;.and nothing else).</p>
<p>I think the worst beta I was ever involved in was The Matrix Online. It was also one of the best Beta&#8217;s I was ever involved in too. I may just save that story for a rainy day though <img src='http://www.gaminglives.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.gaminglives.com/2010/01/24/to-beta-or-not-to-beta/#comment-213</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was involved in the home beta. The dirt will never wash off.</description>
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		<title>By: Lorna</title>
		<link>http://www.gaminglives.com/2010/01/24/to-beta-or-not-to-beta/#comment-211</link>
		<dc:creator>Lorna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great first piece and some stirring up of nostalgia....I remember all too well those mags with cover floppys and later, CDs, and now DVDs crammed with demos and bumph.  I remember that thieveing bastards used to make off with the disks, leaving the rest of us more honest and stupid types rummaging through the racks at WHSmith for the one unmolested copy.

I also remember the wily newsagents keeping the disks behind the counter on their VIP shelf of doom...many a time I have come out of the shop with a bag of Space Raiders and my precious (and expensive - yeah you Amiga Format/Amiga Power/PC Gamer/etc. ad nauseum) magazine, only to realise that I hadn&#039;t asked the dood for the disks and was either too shy or too sure he would tell me to pull the other one if I went back in to request my rightful property once I had left the shop.

I used to play demos a lot, falling in love with games such as Worms and Commandos from their demos.  I have never been involved with Betas, but  it sounds like just one more marketing gimmick now which is a shame.  The ones that aren&#039;t will always be bogged down (if they are too public) with a lot of demanding freeloading whiners wanting the earth for precisely nothing while contributing nothing constructive.  it is a wonder that any game makes it through the process now.

Nice stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great first piece and some stirring up of nostalgia&#8230;.I remember all too well those mags with cover floppys and later, CDs, and now DVDs crammed with demos and bumph.  I remember that thieveing bastards used to make off with the disks, leaving the rest of us more honest and stupid types rummaging through the racks at WHSmith for the one unmolested copy.</p>
<p>I also remember the wily newsagents keeping the disks behind the counter on their VIP shelf of doom&#8230;many a time I have come out of the shop with a bag of Space Raiders and my precious (and expensive &#8211; yeah you Amiga Format/Amiga Power/PC Gamer/etc. ad nauseum) magazine, only to realise that I hadn&#8217;t asked the dood for the disks and was either too shy or too sure he would tell me to pull the other one if I went back in to request my rightful property once I had left the shop.</p>
<p>I used to play demos a lot, falling in love with games such as Worms and Commandos from their demos.  I have never been involved with Betas, but  it sounds like just one more marketing gimmick now which is a shame.  The ones that aren&#8217;t will always be bogged down (if they are too public) with a lot of demanding freeloading whiners wanting the earth for precisely nothing while contributing nothing constructive.  it is a wonder that any game makes it through the process now.</p>
<p>Nice stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.gaminglives.com/2010/01/24/to-beta-or-not-to-beta/#comment-210</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the support one and all.

It&#039;s really something that&#039;s starting to bug me in the industry. I don&#039;t mind developers outsourcing testing to a dedicated following, but the Mass Beta really is nothing more than a buggy demo that just encourages the worst out of the demanding gamer.

(@justbiglee -Yes you did and the FFVII Platinum Version came with a FFVIII preview disc with a few cut scenes and concept art)

(@Kat -I very rarely play them, I rarely buy a magazine that still runs demoes either. GamesTM often points out something to keep an eye on, but even then I wait till I&#039;ve heard back from trusted friends as to wether or not its something I&#039;d enjoy. I don&#039;t find that Demo&#039;s represent games too well though and for the PC Gamer, they just become a drain on your WoW Ping :o )

(@Ben -ST:O has a good feel to it when your playing with friends, it&#039;s a tad too hand holding for me though and doesn&#039;t really let you just take off and do as you please. The whole &#039;Press F to..&#039; feature is good in places, but it takes alot of the control out of your hands and I think thats a bit of a killjoy.)

@Mark -I&#039;m the opposite, can&#039;t stay away from new software but don&#039;t go anywhere near the hardware till I&#039;m confident it&#039;s not going to blow up on me :D)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the support one and all.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really something that&#8217;s starting to bug me in the industry. I don&#8217;t mind developers outsourcing testing to a dedicated following, but the Mass Beta really is nothing more than a buggy demo that just encourages the worst out of the demanding gamer.</p>
<p>(@justbiglee -Yes you did and the FFVII Platinum Version came with a FFVIII preview disc with a few cut scenes and concept art)</p>
<p>(@Kat -I very rarely play them, I rarely buy a magazine that still runs demoes either. GamesTM often points out something to keep an eye on, but even then I wait till I&#8217;ve heard back from trusted friends as to wether or not its something I&#8217;d enjoy. I don&#8217;t find that Demo&#8217;s represent games too well though and for the PC Gamer, they just become a drain on your WoW Ping <img src='http://www.gaminglives.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
<p>(@Ben -ST:O has a good feel to it when your playing with friends, it&#8217;s a tad too hand holding for me though and doesn&#8217;t really let you just take off and do as you please. The whole &#8216;Press F to..&#8217; feature is good in places, but it takes alot of the control out of your hands and I think thats a bit of a killjoy.)</p>
<p>@Mark -I&#8217;m the opposite, can&#8217;t stay away from new software but don&#8217;t go anywhere near the hardware till I&#8217;m confident it&#8217;s not going to blow up on me <img src='http://www.gaminglives.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
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		<title>By: MarkuzR</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkuzR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve not yet taken part in any beta, but the main reason for that is almost avoiding games until the final release is out and there are either few, or no, problems with it.  When Besthesda released The Pitt dlc for Fallout 3, i was eager to get my teeth into it and then was warned that it was massively flawed due to a distribution error or something like that... I therefore steered clear until such times as I knew I&#039;d be able to run it without turning into a Tourettes sufferer.

I&#039;m the same with operating systems though - I used Win 95 right up until Win 98 SE came out and only then did I upgrade to Win 98 SE.  I avoided all other operating systems in between until Win XP Pro was stable enough for me to take the leap.  I&#039;ve only just upgraded to Win 7 and am loving it... although I&#039;m not sure I&#039;d be able to say that if I&#039;d been an early adopter.

Funny though, because I&#039;m only that way with software.  With hardware, I&#039;m very much the early adopter and want to get in there as soon as possible so I can astound myself with whatever new fangled magic things the electronics companies choose to entice us with.  The biggest mistake, however, was jumping on board with a very early Philips DVD+R set top box which would have write (and read!) failures quite regularly.  I had so many replacement units, I wouldn&#039;t even guess at the number, but eventually Comet refused to replace it again and gave me £500 of vouchers instead so I bought my first XBox, extra controllers, loads of games... and became a console gamer for the first time since my old Colecovision got trampled on by Donkey Kong.  Bastard.

So no... I don&#039;t envy you beta folks.  I&#039;ll wait until the game is classed as &quot;retro&quot; so I know it won&#039;t break on me :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve not yet taken part in any beta, but the main reason for that is almost avoiding games until the final release is out and there are either few, or no, problems with it.  When Besthesda released The Pitt dlc for Fallout 3, i was eager to get my teeth into it and then was warned that it was massively flawed due to a distribution error or something like that&#8230; I therefore steered clear until such times as I knew I&#8217;d be able to run it without turning into a Tourettes sufferer.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m the same with operating systems though &#8211; I used Win 95 right up until Win 98 SE came out and only then did I upgrade to Win 98 SE.  I avoided all other operating systems in between until Win XP Pro was stable enough for me to take the leap.  I&#8217;ve only just upgraded to Win 7 and am loving it&#8230; although I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;d be able to say that if I&#8217;d been an early adopter.</p>
<p>Funny though, because I&#8217;m only that way with software.  With hardware, I&#8217;m very much the early adopter and want to get in there as soon as possible so I can astound myself with whatever new fangled magic things the electronics companies choose to entice us with.  The biggest mistake, however, was jumping on board with a very early Philips DVD+R set top box which would have write (and read!) failures quite regularly.  I had so many replacement units, I wouldn&#8217;t even guess at the number, but eventually Comet refused to replace it again and gave me £500 of vouchers instead so I bought my first XBox, extra controllers, loads of games&#8230; and became a console gamer for the first time since my old Colecovision got trampled on by Donkey Kong.  Bastard.</p>
<p>So no&#8230; I don&#8217;t envy you beta folks.  I&#8217;ll wait until the game is classed as &#8220;retro&#8221; so I know it won&#8217;t break on me <img src='http://www.gaminglives.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The beta test, one part &quot;wow we can play this game for free&quot; two parts &quot;I demand you fix the lag, servers, bugs, global warming and I at least expect a fully functioning game during this testing phase that I&#039;m currently playing for free&quot;.

I&#039;ve taken part in so many beta tests I dare not list it.

Recently tried the Star Trek beta myself and quite enjoyed it, there are a few things lacking (which will no doubt be patched in later on) but I really do like the sci-fi setting and the space combat is good fun.

My very first beta test involved downloading a 2.4Gb file on my 56kb/s modem, it took days to do and even corrupted the first time round, today I moan if my connection drops below 7mb/s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The beta test, one part &#8220;wow we can play this game for free&#8221; two parts &#8220;I demand you fix the lag, servers, bugs, global warming and I at least expect a fully functioning game during this testing phase that I&#8217;m currently playing for free&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve taken part in so many beta tests I dare not list it.</p>
<p>Recently tried the Star Trek beta myself and quite enjoyed it, there are a few things lacking (which will no doubt be patched in later on) but I really do like the sci-fi setting and the space combat is good fun.</p>
<p>My very first beta test involved downloading a 2.4Gb file on my 56kb/s modem, it took days to do and even corrupted the first time round, today I moan if my connection drops below 7mb/s.</p>
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		<title>By: Kat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never been part of a beta but I remember lovingly going through demos taped onto magazines. For financial reasons I&#039;m glad demos arent so freely available because after playing the Bayonetta and Batman: AA ones I had to rush out to buy the game. I&#039;m probably missing out on a lot of great games cos I haven&#039;t played the demo and for that my credit card is thankful. Enjoyable blog, nice one :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never been part of a beta but I remember lovingly going through demos taped onto magazines. For financial reasons I&#8217;m glad demos arent so freely available because after playing the Bayonetta and Batman: AA ones I had to rush out to buy the game. I&#8217;m probably missing out on a lot of great games cos I haven&#8217;t played the demo and for that my credit card is thankful. Enjoyable blog, nice one <img src='http://www.gaminglives.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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